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		<title>By: PR Advice for Startups &#171; Paedra&#039;s Blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The busy executive&#8217;s guide to publicity at Bill Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>The busy executive&#8217;s guide to publicity at Bill Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Arne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post was really worthwhile reading! I learned a lot. Thanks</description>
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		<title>By: Brian Solis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Solis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, you&#039;re right on. It&#039;s a bit of both. I&#039;m asked every day to help, in addition to press and blogger coverage, increase SEO and social media optimization. Very interesting times.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hi James, Thank you. O&#039;Dwyer could run it if they like...if you know someone, let me know.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;@Andrew, much appreciated. Managing expectations is different today  as the game has expanded, and with it, expectations.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;@Daniel, well said...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;@Michael. Good to hear from you! Thanks for sharing it. They do ring true still...in fact...maybe louder than ever before.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;@Fernanda, Thank you!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;@photrade, I&#039;m seeing a change now where agencies and consultants, good ones anyway, are willing to be held to metrics. X amount of contacts, x conversions, x visits per month to a specific URL, etc.&lt;br/&gt;Many of the companies I work with aren&#039;t afraid to ask and based on experience, we can set their expectations and align it with what we know we can deliver - that way it keeps us on our toes and also keeps them happy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, you&#8217;re right on. It&#8217;s a bit of both. I&#8217;m asked every day to help, in addition to press and blogger coverage, increase SEO and social media optimization. Very interesting times.</p>
<p>Hi James, Thank you. O&#8217;Dwyer could run it if they like&#8230;if you know someone, let me know.</p>
<p>@Andrew, much appreciated. Managing expectations is different today  as the game has expanded, and with it, expectations.</p>
<p>@Daniel, well said&#8230;</p>
<p>@Michael. Good to hear from you! Thanks for sharing it. They do ring true still&#8230;in fact&#8230;maybe louder than ever before.</p>
<p>@Fernanda, Thank you!</p>
<p>@photrade, I&#8217;m seeing a change now where agencies and consultants, good ones anyway, are willing to be held to metrics. X amount of contacts, x conversions, x visits per month to a specific URL, etc.<br />Many of the companies I work with aren&#8217;t afraid to ask and based on experience, we can set their expectations and align it with what we know we can deliver &#8211; that way it keeps us on our toes and also keeps them happy!</p>
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		<title>By: photrade</title>
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		<dc:creator>photrade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 19:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Great post! As a Marketing VP for a start-up my experience to date has been 1) Building relationships is extremely important and 2) The lack of quantification of PR results can be frustrating/difficult, especially for considering the cost of most good PR firms.  Here is a question for you - How would you recommend assessing the cost of a PR firm when they typically can&#039;t commit to any specific results?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thanks again for the post.  Like many of your other articles - thought provoking with helpful tips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian</p>
<p>Great post! As a Marketing VP for a start-up my experience to date has been 1) Building relationships is extremely important and 2) The lack of quantification of PR results can be frustrating/difficult, especially for considering the cost of most good PR firms.  Here is a question for you &#8211; How would you recommend assessing the cost of a PR firm when they typically can&#8217;t commit to any specific results?</p>
<p>Thanks again for the post.  Like many of your other articles &#8211; thought provoking with helpful tips.</p>
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		<title>By: Fernanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fernanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I´ll mention it among my students.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Fernanda Grimaldi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I´ll mention it among my students.</p>
<p>Fernanda Grimaldi</p>
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		<title>By: au1153</title>
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		<dc:creator>au1153</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Great post.  I&#039;m definitely going to be recommending this post to a number of people.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;PR is an evolving industry and there are more tools than ever to utilize. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You&#039;re right in your responses that common sense is not all that common. While some of the themes you hit upon are really just updated for the Social Media / 2.0/ etc....era, they are things that still ring very true. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;- Michael Pranikoff&lt;br/&gt;Director, Emerging Media&lt;br/&gt;PR Newswire</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,</p>
<p>Great post.  I&#8217;m definitely going to be recommending this post to a number of people.  </p>
<p>PR is an evolving industry and there are more tools than ever to utilize. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right in your responses that common sense is not all that common. While some of the themes you hit upon are really just updated for the Social Media / 2.0/ etc&#8230;.era, they are things that still ring very true. </p>
<p>- Michael Pranikoff<br />Director, Emerging Media<br />PR Newswire</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a fairly exhaustive list, and I love the summary. From a reporter&#039;s perspective, I can summarize my advice into the following:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1. Cut the B.S.&lt;br/&gt;2. Be professional. (Part of #1)&lt;br/&gt;3. Be transparent. (Also part of #1)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a fairly exhaustive list, and I love the summary. From a reporter&#8217;s perspective, I can summarize my advice into the following:</p>
<p>1. Cut the B.S.<br />2. Be professional. (Part of #1)<br />3. Be transparent. (Also part of #1)</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Howlett</title>
		<link>http://www.briansolis.com/2007/12/pr-advice-for-startups/comment-page-1/#comment-1673</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Howlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brian: I did read the entire article which is why I responded as I did. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My response is based on experience right up to the present day including some of the best known names in the game. I can give you a (long) list if you want. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The best and most recent was from a person who sent me a &#039;social media&#039; release that was 95% content free. The company is a genuine world leader. I was told the initiative is one of their most important yet there was no story because what they were showing me was content free. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The last 3 approaches I&#039;ve had from a firm you will know by name and which spouts social media a,b,c...x,y,z have been utterly clueless. I know the AD very well and have said: &quot;Who&#039;s going to take them outside and give them a slap - you or me?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Yesterday I was asked to write up a book review based on other people&#039;s quotes on a book I&#039;ve never seen.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This kind of thing happens all the time.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m sure you saw what Chris Anderson had to say a while back. He absolutely nails it. It&#039;s not as though this is something new. A colleague wrote about this in 1996 and drew an indignant response from PR. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;While in Paris I met with a bunch of startups who could not find decent PR, ie people prepared to understand what they&#039;re about and pitch accordingly. Instead it&#039;s the same name dropping crap that you and I know is utter BS. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sorry Brian but it&#039;s same old, same old from this hack&#039;s desk. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You may be different but I can tell you that 95%+ of your profession is nigh on useless and unaccountable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brian: I did read the entire article which is why I responded as I did. </p>
<p>My response is based on experience right up to the present day including some of the best known names in the game. I can give you a (long) list if you want. </p>
<p>The best and most recent was from a person who sent me a &#8216;social media&#8217; release that was 95% content free. The company is a genuine world leader. I was told the initiative is one of their most important yet there was no story because what they were showing me was content free. </p>
<p>The last 3 approaches I&#8217;ve had from a firm you will know by name and which spouts social media a,b,c&#8230;x,y,z have been utterly clueless. I know the AD very well and have said: &#8220;Who&#8217;s going to take them outside and give them a slap &#8211; you or me?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yesterday I was asked to write up a book review based on other people&#8217;s quotes on a book I&#8217;ve never seen.</p>
<p>This kind of thing happens all the time.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you saw what Chris Anderson had to say a while back. He absolutely nails it. It&#8217;s not as though this is something new. A colleague wrote about this in 1996 and drew an indignant response from PR. </p>
<p>While in Paris I met with a bunch of startups who could not find decent PR, ie people prepared to understand what they&#8217;re about and pitch accordingly. Instead it&#8217;s the same name dropping crap that you and I know is utter BS. </p>
<p>Sorry Brian but it&#8217;s same old, same old from this hack&#8217;s desk. </p>
<p>You may be different but I can tell you that 95%+ of your profession is nigh on useless and unaccountable.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Kippen</title>
		<link>http://www.briansolis.com/2007/12/pr-advice-for-startups/comment-page-1/#comment-1672</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Kippen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As usual, a well thought out post that serves to educate people on how PR is changing and what they should expect from it.  Every startup that hasn&#039;t hired you (or us : ) to represent them should be following PR 2.0. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;@jeff davis - managing expectations is a key component with clients, peers, and journalists. It&#039;s something we stress over and over again internally as we grow our business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan,</p>
<p>As usual, a well thought out post that serves to educate people on how PR is changing and what they should expect from it.  Every startup that hasn&#8217;t hired you (or us : ) to represent them should be following PR 2.0. </p>
<p>@jeff davis &#8211; managing expectations is a key component with clients, peers, and journalists. It&#8217;s something we stress over and over again internally as we grow our business.</p>
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		<title>By: James Bruni</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Bruni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Brian.  This should be on O&quot;Dwyer&#039;s as a &quot;Commentary&quot;.  Your comments about &quot;on/off PR programs&quot; and &quot;pay for performance&quot; are right on target. I&#039;m sending this to a number of my Net startup clients who need education on PR.  Best wishes for a Happy New Year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Brian.  This should be on O&#8221;Dwyer&#8217;s as a &#8220;Commentary&#8221;.  Your comments about &#8220;on/off PR programs&#8221; and &#8220;pay for performance&#8221; are right on target. I&#8217;m sending this to a number of my Net startup clients who need education on PR.  Best wishes for a Happy New Year.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a former life, I ran a boutique firm in SF that did nothing but launch Internet startups, which are indeed a different breed.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And while it has been a long time since then (and there are many new tools available today) I fundamentally agree with your assessment.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My Job 1 with clients was managing expectations.  Dot-com entrepreneurs often had larger-than-life ideas of how the world will respond to their widget, so we often found ourselves needing to reign things in a bit with our CEOs.  While we certainly had our share of media surges at launch, patience and consistency proved more effective. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I shifted focus a few years ago to the events side of things for consumer products, but still encounter small companies.  The difference today is that I&#039;m hearing more about their struggles to navigate the Google machine than getting media exposure -- which now go hand-in-hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a former life, I ran a boutique firm in SF that did nothing but launch Internet startups, which are indeed a different breed.</p>
<p>And while it has been a long time since then (and there are many new tools available today) I fundamentally agree with your assessment.  </p>
<p>My Job 1 with clients was managing expectations.  Dot-com entrepreneurs often had larger-than-life ideas of how the world will respond to their widget, so we often found ourselves needing to reign things in a bit with our CEOs.  While we certainly had our share of media surges at launch, patience and consistency proved more effective. </p>
<p>I shifted focus a few years ago to the events side of things for consumer products, but still encounter small companies.  The difference today is that I&#8217;m hearing more about their struggles to navigate the Google machine than getting media exposure &#8212; which now go hand-in-hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Solis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Solis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis, you know I respect much of what you have to say. Did you read the full article? If not, that&#039;s fine. It&#039;s long...but if you do, I don&#039;t think you&#039;ll come up with the same reaction.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Remember, common sense, isn&#039;t terribly common regardless of whether or not you&#039;ve heard it for 20 years or if it has a new &quot;social&quot; gloss.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;PR has changed a lot, especially over the last 10, and continues to do so. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Today&#039;s startups are a little bit more sophisticated than their predecessors and therefore will read this article differently. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The central message is best summized this way:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;- Drop the bull shit&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;- Know who you&#039;re talking to and why your story matters to them&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;- Figure out where they go for information and engage them directly and indirectly&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;- PR is no longer a blast mechanism, it&#039;s about people&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;- Customer service is no longer an inbound cost center, communities require participation&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;- Understand the process of creating and telling stories&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;- Measure PR in a way that is realistic, but make sure, you measure it&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;- Don&#039;t undercut your PR efforts&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;- Remember that bloggers and reporters are busier than you&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But at the end of the day, you get out of PR what you put into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis, you know I respect much of what you have to say. Did you read the full article? If not, that&#8217;s fine. It&#8217;s long&#8230;but if you do, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ll come up with the same reaction.</p>
<p>Remember, common sense, isn&#8217;t terribly common regardless of whether or not you&#8217;ve heard it for 20 years or if it has a new &#8220;social&#8221; gloss.</p>
<p>PR has changed a lot, especially over the last 10, and continues to do so. </p>
<p>Today&#8217;s startups are a little bit more sophisticated than their predecessors and therefore will read this article differently. </p>
<p>The central message is best summized this way:</p>
<p>- Drop the bull shit</p>
<p>- Know who you&#8217;re talking to and why your story matters to them</p>
<p>- Figure out where they go for information and engage them directly and indirectly</p>
<p>- PR is no longer a blast mechanism, it&#8217;s about people</p>
<p>- Customer service is no longer an inbound cost center, communities require participation</p>
<p>- Understand the process of creating and telling stories</p>
<p>- Measure PR in a way that is realistic, but make sure, you measure it</p>
<p>- Don&#8217;t undercut your PR efforts</p>
<p>- Remember that bloggers and reporters are busier than you</p>
<p>But at the end of the day, you get out of PR what you put into it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Howlett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Howlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me I&#039;m reading what I seem to have heard for nigh on 20 years but with a &#039;social&#039; gloss. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The central message to me is: &quot;We don&#039;t perform miracles aka expect nothing and by the way we&#039;re not going to be measured or rewarded on performance.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sorry Brian - but not in any company I run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me I&#8217;m reading what I seem to have heard for nigh on 20 years but with a &#8216;social&#8217; gloss. </p>
<p>The central message to me is: &#8220;We don&#8217;t perform miracles aka expect nothing and by the way we&#8217;re not going to be measured or rewarded on performance.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry Brian &#8211; but not in any company I run.</p>
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